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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bazaar

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i schwartz hate being cramped up with

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you in this ship

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and it's starting to smell like swamp

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gas

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must be that martian red bean soup again

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but hey we're on a joyride so what does

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matter we're supposed to be here looking

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for college students to party with

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okay well um uh now i see some co-eds

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down there looking out their dorm window

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maybe we could land in that swamp over

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there and see if they want to uh

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hook up with us well

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hey it looks like they're interested i

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see them waving their hands backing

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forth at us no no tim

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look a bit closer it looks like they're

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moving their hands and

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bodies because they're scared to death

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you would think that they've never seen

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a spaceship and a couple of

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party-going aliens

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well that's terrible didn't mean to

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scare the bejesus out of anyone but

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all we are is just a pair of wild and

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crazy

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martians out for a good time

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well okay i suggest that we uh uh uh

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find a different landing spot and uh go

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over to the kcu or our

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studios in las vegas yeah

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didn't you say we should look for a safe

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harbor oh well this is this is ann arbor

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okay round of applause

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i hear crickets uh you do huh

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i hear you had a bad start here you had

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a bad storm out there last night

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oh well yeah it's uh uh springtime in

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indiana

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is fortunate that we didn't have any

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tornadoes but we had a thunderstorm roll

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through with some

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straight line winds i think they clocked

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it at one gust at over 60 miles an hour

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so uh

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that's uh that can get uh pretty high

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and we heard it

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we heard it coming too from the distance

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i mean you know you've heard people

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describe

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uh tornado a sound like a train that's

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what it sounded like even though like i

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said it was just uh straight-line winds

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but we heard that

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that roaring coming towards the house we

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were like

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we better get down the basement but no

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you know no damage

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i i got a somewhat panicky uh

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email from diane tessman there in iowa

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uh she was wondering what the heck was

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going on if it was an earthquake or a

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sonic boom

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she said the the house shook and the

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the snow up on the roof just went all

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over the

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place and the dogs started up uh

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but nothing in the uh the media uh about

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it that

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she could uh see but uh there is a

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such a thing as uh thunderstorms during

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i mean most people yeah but uh there is

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and that kind of that kind of you know

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the freak weather and climate change and

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all is uh

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certainly uh you know happening uh all

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around us

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uh of course there are a lot of things

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that are happening all around us but

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that kind of reminds me of uh you know

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this is a book that we just uh

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finished uh working on this uh week uh

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which is a

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uh update of uh of a volume we did back

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in the 1970s and 80s who put out several

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editions

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uh this is the new edition of psychic

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and ufo revelations

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in the 21st century it's got all kinds

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yeah yeah it's got all kinds of

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predict dozens and dozens and dozens of

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predictions and

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channeled their messages and uh the

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whole

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uh ball of wax it's quite a

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i guess memorial was that the right word

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to the whole ufo and contact eu movement

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it's just

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fully illustrated with a lot of rare and

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never before published

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photographs of some of the better known

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and the lesser-known

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channelers and contactees especially

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the california desert area out around

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giant rock and and i know you you've

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just finished up a book that

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probably will be available in a couple

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of days uh that's what cosmic uh

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messages

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from the uh command that's right cosmic

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the title is cosmic messages from the

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space brothers and ashtar command and

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again this is uh channeled material from

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the late uh to ella well

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and about i think it's 20 uh we

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advertise it as 28 symposiums

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from representatives of the uh

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space and solar uh council now i i know

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some people are critical of this type of

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material

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but like towels says for those who

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believe you know you will accept it for

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those that don't believe nothing will

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have confirmed this for you so that's

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not exactly the words she was much more

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eloquent

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and anyway we have we have been uh busy

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uh regardless of

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what's going on uh all around us which

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is of course very

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very menacing i mean what can you say

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about it's just

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terrible i mean the situation we find

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yourself in with this uh

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epidemic but um anyway let us get on

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with the program tonight which i'm very

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probably is one of the most the famous

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and well-known of

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uh in the entire entire history of

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ufology

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well that's right well our guest tonight

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and i'm so happy that

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she's agreed to be on the program with

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us i've been on uh

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her show a couple of times so it's

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great that barbara delong can join us

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tonight now

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barbara is internationally known radio

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podcast host he's a spiritual empath

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author artist lecturer and ordained

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minister

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now she's been working professionally in

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the spiritual field since the early

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1960s

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or 1970s sorry barbara in addition to

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being a full-time special education

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teacher

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and single parent now in the 1980s she

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began painting

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personal mandalas for friends and since

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that time her paintings and

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life readings that go with them are now

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worldwide with over 400 of them

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in private collections these individual

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paintings evolved into a

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circular oracle card deck called the

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cosmic

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deck of intuition the deck was published

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in 1991

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as a peaceful and more spiritual

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substitute to the

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standard tarot deck uh with many

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thousands purchased around the world

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now in october of 2009 she launched her

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own radio show

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nightlight which features spiritual

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spiritual philosophy

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questions and answers and awesome

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interviews with author authors

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and those in the metaphysical field the

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show also offers a

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platform for planting seeds of spiritual

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insight as well as a showcase

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for featured authors offered insight

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from a plethora

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of different modalities so barbara thank

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you very much for being with us on

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exploring the bizarre

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well i it's a pleasure and you know when

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you were talking about channeling

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i channel and so you know i i definitely

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um channel material is spectacular

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if it's truly channeled and when you can

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find a good channel

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my goodness pay attention to what they

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say because it comes from a higher place

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well you know uh if tim for neglected to

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mention though

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one of the reasons that i'm so

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excited to talk with you is that you

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were involved

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like i say uh in one of the most

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historic ufo

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events all of all time you were there

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uh in in in michigan when

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the air was full of swamp gas

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that's the beginning of our that's the

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beginning of our program

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now i have to ask you uh there is a very

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photograph that appeared in one of the

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papers i don't know whether it was the

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and or paper it shows about five or six

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girls coeds standing at the the window

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of their dormitory

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no and and i don't think any of those

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gals in the picture were actually there

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and second of all they all look too

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well-dressed because this happened at

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almost 11 well after 11 o'clock at night

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and most of us were not dressed for day

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so um no that that picture was probably

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staged but very effective

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i mean you know the hair the hairstyles

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are certainly um

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for the time frame but yes i was there

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and it was it was probably

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i am in in a lot of reports of the

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this particular sighting they say it

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happened at university of michigan

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it did not it happened at the university

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of eastern michigan which was just a

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couple of miles

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away from u of m but um i guess you of

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them sounded better so they put you with

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in there but now is this is this is this

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the dexter uh dormitory

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king hall um at university of eastern

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michigan

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and um it was really kind of weird we

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um we had been live well

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let's set the stage what uh what day of

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the week and what

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time uh was it okay um i i

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don't remember what day of the week it

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it was after 11 o'clock at night because

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we had uh heard on the new there had

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been a nurse

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a news flash that um a ufo had been

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spotted

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around the university of eastern

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michigan and the source

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and that the local airports had all been

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and there were three of them and so um

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you know we all were

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going at the windows and looking out the

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windows and opening the windows

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it was it was chilly out so i think it

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may have been march or april but i'm not

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sure i think it was march okay

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so between my dorm

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and the baseball diamond um there was a

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large building and we

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we heard the police cars rushing by

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sirens and everything and um

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you know we looked at the windows we

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could see all these police cars coming

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and it

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it was a little scary and

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we heard we could hear their radios

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because we had the windows open and we

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heard one of the radios say you know

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we're going to turn on the stadium

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lights

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to see it better and we could see

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the glow in the sky as the lights went

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on

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and then we saw i saw this this

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saucer raised up we also well i saw the

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saucer raise up

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and it swooped over my dorm and it

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blacked out the sky it was that close

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um i've often said it's

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it's a phrase i say so often people are

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going to really get sick of it but if it

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had had

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a vin number i could have seen it and

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what was and then it just it felt like

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it

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was

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fascinating because you know certainly

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there were a lot of girls you know

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hanging

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and

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some of them one of them fainted one of

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them ended up in her closet crying and

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screaming

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um you know others just ran and and

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then there were there were those that

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didn't see it

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that were standing right next to me my

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goodness

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and i you know well that's pretty good

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that's that's happened

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uh quite a bit we we've had a lot of uh

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reports like that where

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uh people look cluster of people would

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be together looking in the sky and there

335
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would be a

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a definite object of some size or shape

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and some of people

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would not see it at all and other people

339
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would describe it

340
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somewhat differently than another part

341
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of the group you know

342
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yeah it was it was really phenomenal and

343
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i wasn't scared um and

344
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she and so you know we all kind of

345
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were were hanging by the radio because

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of course

347
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you know we were sure you know a report

348
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of what had happened was going to be on

349
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the radio

350
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midnight um

351
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report there was nothing

352
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absolutely nothing no no you know

353
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this is reported or any nothing and

354
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you know we kind of all looked at each

355
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other and we're

356
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and we're a little terrified because it

357
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seemed very strange

358
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and um then

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then we we noticed that that the um

360
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the campus was being patrolled by police

361
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officers

362
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with um german shepherds for the whole

363
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rest of the night

364
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and they were impaired so so they really

365
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really were worried that you know

366
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something was going on but they didn't

367
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know what

368
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and uh it was very strange because there

369
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was nothing

370
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in the newspapers the next day that i

371
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saw um there may have been reports but

372
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they

373
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papers that i saw

374
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well how long how long after this though

375
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did the reports get into the paper that

376
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the objects had been seen landing in the

377
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in the swampy area um well

378
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first of all it was a baseball field it

379
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wasn't swampy at all

380
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but jl and heineck did come out and

381
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investigate

382
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and he declared everything swamp gas but

383
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if that was swamp gas it was the most

384
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solid swamp gas i've ever seen

385
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um and and it had and it could fly

386
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and swamp gas just kind of drifts up

387
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from the ground it doesn't

388
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yeah yeah very low level methane type of

389
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gas we see that a lot around the

390
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cemeteries

391
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too people get very excited

392
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:55,360
you know thinking they're watching a ufo

393
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:57,279
but they're little flickers of light

394
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:59,600
now there are a lot of there are a lot

395
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of uh ufo reports around cemeteries of

396
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:02,880
course

397
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,920
ancient indian mounds and burial graves

398
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:07,360
and things like that and

399
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,399
as well as regular cemeteries but there

400
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,680
is a phenomena

401
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:13,440
uh you know i don't know has anybody

402
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:15,279
actually seen swamp gas

403
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:17,440
i i'm wondering about that i mean you

404
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:18,320
never

405
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outside of this one particular case

406
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:24,000
you never hear anybody talk about it i

407
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:26,079
mean i don't know i have to google it

408
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:28,800
and find out but what exactly did the

409
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,600
object

410
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:32,000
uh look like i don't think he gave us a

411
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:33,519
full detail

412
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:36,959
it was a dish it was a saucer and and it

413
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:37,360
it

414
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,040
trying to

415
00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:43,920
um i'm not really good at gauging

416
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,839
distances or anything but for it to

417
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,360
block out the whole sky

418
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:49,279
and for it to have landed on the

419
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baseball diamond it had to be

420
00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:01,910
so um you know it and i think what what

421
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,680
was amazing was

422
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,439
was how it affected everybody and and

423
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:07,520
there were it didn't have any

424
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:10,240
um lights or portals on it that i saw

425
00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:11,039
but it did

426
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,600
it did have lights glowing from it it's

427
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,679
like the skin was glowing

428
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,559
um and there and i saw red and i saw

429
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:20,880
yellow and i saw green lights

430
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:24,000
so and you think you think it was

431
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,199
intelligently controlled obviously

432
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,480
yeah i i well you know it first of all

433
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:32,400
it was large enough

434
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:35,600
and you know at that time of course um

435
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,480
i didn't know what he what a ufo was and

436
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,240
you know at this point

437
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,960
um well how how how how old would you

438
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:44,240
have been at that

439
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,470
yeah 20 21 yeah yeah

440
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,640
so obviously though this had i mean here

441
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:56,960
we are today on exploring the bazaar

442
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,720
talking about the sighting and

443
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,480
yeah you've had other experiences and

444
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:02,480
you've written the uh

445
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,400
literature on various other subjects and

446
00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,480
things like that so obviously and and

447
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:08,160
you mentioned earlier that uh

448
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:11,280
you are a channel so obviously this must

449
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,160
have had

450
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,360
uh some impact uh on you i mean do you

451
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,120
think that it did and did

452
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,160
this lead to

453
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:22,160
to to all the things that have happened

454
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:23,600
since in your life

455
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:26,880
i would i would say absolutely and and

456
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:30,320
i think i i sort of um you know i was

457
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always

458
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:34,320
interested in you know

459
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:37,440
telepathy and all of that stuff but i i

460
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,080
would think

461
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:40,799
it feels like that was the one place

462
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:41,600
where i can

463
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,520
say that consciousness changed

464
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:48,080
and when i saw it it was it was sort of

465
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:49,280
like

466
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:52,799
we're not alone and and there's more out

467
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:53,200
there

468
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:57,600
universe than i have ever known

469
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:01,200
and it opened that doorway that

470
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:05,039
portal inside of me um i think when you

471
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:08,320
when people see ufos or or

472
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,160
are have have a metaphysical experience

473
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,640
that there is a level of consciousness

474
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:16,080
and that has nothing to do with

475
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:17,039
intellect

476
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:19,760
it's a level of consciousness that you

477
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,799
you are using

478
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,679
within within you at this at this moment

479
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,360
in time in your evolution

480
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,160
that will either accept or reject it and

481
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:29,840
if it rejects it you don't see it and if

482
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,720
it accepts it you go whoa look at that

483
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,760
so now how how long after

484
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,520
uh i'm sorry i didn't mean to interrupt

485
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:38,960
you but uh

486
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:42,640
how long after uh this um

487
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:45,440
incident did you start to to channel and

488
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,160
what was the

489
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:48,960
circumstances well i wouldn't say i

490
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,080
started channeling

491
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:52,320
right away i i would say that it it put

492
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,200
me on a

493
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a pathway of wanting to learn about

494
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,600
intuition of spirituality and

495
00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:00,080
and all sorts of stuff like that so that

496
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:00,720
so that

497
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,440
from i went from one moment thinking

498
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:04,640
okay i graduate

499
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,679
school i graduate school i

500
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:10,400
teach school i i teach school i get

501
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:10,960
married

502
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,559
i have children and i'm a housewife and

503
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:17,520
after that experience it was it was it

504
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,080
changed

505
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:20,000
completely about what i wanted to do

506
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,440
with my life

507
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,679
and you know while i well i did teach

508
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:25,760
and i got married and i had a child

509
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,240
um there was always something else there

510
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:30,080
there was always saying i would there

511
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,880
was always that

512
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:33,120
voice in my head saying there's

513
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:34,000
something more

514
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:38,559
keep working and it was probably

515
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,679
um let's see that was in the 60s it was

516
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probably in the

517
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,640
70s that i started a class

518
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,559
i was involved in a class for spiritual

519
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,679
development

520
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,840
and that's where the channeling started

521
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:53,520
and that was amazing

522
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,320
because it was sort of like um you know

523
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:57,760
we had homework assignments

524
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,120
and they were on on topics that were

525
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,679
you know spiritually oriented like the

526
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:06,400
seasons of my soul or the rainbow of my

527
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:09,840
existence or the portal to who knows

528
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:10,400
where

529
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:13,440
and and i found and i found that

530
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,360
that um i would sit and think real hard

531
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,280
on you know how to write this and what

532
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,960
do i want to say and how do i want to

533
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:21,840
say it

534
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,280
and i usually you know have pages and

535
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,640
pages of notes and then i

536
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,200
i would usually just say oh screw this i

537
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,640
just don't know where i'm going with it

538
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,960
and i would start writing and

539
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,640
right but writing without thinking

540
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,440
writing without truly

541
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,520
focusing on what i was saying but more

542
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,559
or less letting it it come through me

543
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:44,960
and then i realized well this is a heck

544
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,520
of a lot easier

545
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:50,559
and and so that's where the channeling

546
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,600
began

547
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:54,159
and well who was who who were who were

548
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,360
you you channeling

549
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,480
exactly okay this is

550
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:04,950
a great question um

551
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,440
i i channel the spirit that's within me

552
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,600
that is eternal and that has traveled

553
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:13,600
through time

554
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,200
um lots of people say they channel

555
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,960
and believe they channel and i believe

556
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,799
they believe it that they channel

557
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:22,159
archangel michael

558
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:26,960
or jesus or you know mother mary

559
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:30,159
and in my opinion

560
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:34,640
at this point in time um

561
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,400
our consciousness is geared to accept

562
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:41,280
certain things and depending on where

563
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,320
our consciousness

564
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,679
is sometimes we need to have

565
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,840
information come from an outside source

566
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,679
because we won't trust what comes from

567
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,039
inside

568
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:53,760
so at that point the spirit within gives

569
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,630
um a holographic perception

570
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:03,600
that there is another entity there but

571
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,520
in reality it isn't it's a holographic

572
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:10,159
expression that's come from within but

573
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,720
but

574
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,280
i believe personally that that most

575
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,799
channelers truly do

576
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,200
channel from their higher consciousness

577
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,919
which is the spirit that is ageless

578
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,200
and and can can draw material from

579
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,320
any point in time or any wisdom that has

580
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,000
been or is going to be

581
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,159
out there all right i need to interrupt

582
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,240
you here because we are coming to

583
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:34,640
our bottom of the hour break so when we

584
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,280
come back

585
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,200
we will continue our conversation with

586
00:23:40,550 --> 00:23:38,400
barbara delong

587
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:40,560
on exploring the bazaar

588
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,789
now back to exploring the bazaar

589
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,960
with two of the most electrifying

590
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:56,960
researchers in the paranormal

591
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,240
your hosts timothy beckley and tim

592
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,669
and welcome back to exploring the bazaar

593
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,520
i'm tim schwartz tonight

594
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,400
our guest is barbara delong and i highly

595
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:11,360
recommend

596
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:14,480
that uh you tune in to uh barbara's

597
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,159
show night light and barber where can uh

598
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,440
people find your show um it's on block

599
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,679
talk radio but if you go to my website

600
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:26,480
um barbara delong.com there's a link

601
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,200
right there

602
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,919
to the to the radio show all right

603
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,960
fantastic

604
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,200
and and i know it's an excellent show

605
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:34,880
and you've got

606
00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:38,240
some great and

607
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:40,800
wonderful guests yes yes i do

608
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:44,960
[Laughter]

609
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:48,320
well now um going back uh to uh

610
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:51,440
uh uh you're you're you're citing you

611
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,720
know afterwards

612
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,880
and i mean not just the the the signing

613
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,000
there on

614
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,200
uh at the college but uh

615
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,520
just the general collection of sightings

616
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,360
that were being seen all over michigan

617
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,400
you know you had uh jail and heinick

618
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:09,760
uh come in at uh

619
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:13,600
who at that time he was working for

620
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:17,440
the air force and basically it was his

621
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:22,880
job to come in and uh and debunk

622
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,000
sightings and and i know because i i

623
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,200
i knew jay allen before he passed away

624
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,880
and he admitted that uh it was to his

625
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,240
embarrassment

626
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,520
that he had to proclaim that what

627
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,200
everybody was saying

628
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,159
could have been swamp gas you know he he

629
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,919
told me he said he wasn't saying

630
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,400
it was swamp gas he was just putting

631
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:48,880
that out there

632
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,799
as an explanation but now uh

633
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,960
when you found out about that later i

634
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,000
mean you know how did that

635
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,120
make you feel because you you know you

636
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,559
and your friends i mean you definitely

637
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,440
saw something

638
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,120
only to have the you know so-called

639
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,840
expert uh declare that you know what you

640
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:06,640
saw i mean

641
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,480
even though he was impressed by uh uh

642
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,480
the stories that uh that you all told

643
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,600
him

644
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,400
but you know he he dismissed it as ah

645
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,600
well you know it's

646
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:20,240
just something more mundane than than

647
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,200
actual

648
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,360
physical uh unknown object flying

649
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,480
overhead

650
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,400
well yeah and and you know there was the

651
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,600
inference that you know

652
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,159
here were hormonal women we we obviously

653
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,240
don't know what we were talking about

654
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,520
um but but you know it's it's really

655
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,120
it's fascinating because

656
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,919
for the most part at that time in my

657
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,840
life if somebody if i said i saw

658
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,760
something and they said no you didn't

659
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,400
um i wouldn't say well maybe i'm wrong

660
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,400
but it was it's one of the few times

661
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,669
i i continued to talk about it even

662
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:55,279
though people would look at me like i

663
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:56,400
was crazy

664
00:27:02,710 --> 00:26:59,840
um i i when i when i started teaching

665
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,720
in michigan um somebody did pull me

666
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,080
aside and say you know you should

667
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,400
not talk about that ufo crap because you

668
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,760
know they'll think you're crazy and you

669
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:09,039
could get fired

670
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,520
and um and and that's that was very true

671
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,880
so um but uh it's something that well i

672
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,960
didn't broadcast you know somebody asked

673
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,600
me i

674
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,520
i absolutely said yes i've seen one and

675
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:23,600
i i do believe in them

676
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:27,919
um and you know it's something that uh

677
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,120
it touches you in such a different way

678
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,960
so that so that it's almost like a

679
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,120
switch is turned on inside of you or a

680
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,720
portal that's opened up right

681
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,480
i don't know exactly how to explain it

682
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,080
it's something that you know

683
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,240
you you could probably have have you

684
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,520
know denied me my

685
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,600
my caffeine or whatever and i still

686
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,559
would have said no

687
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,679
it really i saw it it was there

688
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,080
and and and some of the girls standing

689
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,440
next to me would say i don't see

690
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:54,720
anything

691
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,320
so um it's it's a matter of

692
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,080
you know it's something you you believe

693
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,159
in and i think the reason that i hang

694
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,520
hung on so tightly to it was because

695
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,480
it it it opened a doorway for me to

696
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,600
explore so much

697
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,159
else that was out there that i i never

698
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,919
would have gotten involved in had it not

699
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,080
been for that experience

700
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,080
now the the girls you said they were

701
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:19,120
standing next to you

702
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,720
that you said that they didn't you know

703
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,720
see anything do you think that they were

704
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,840
being honest

705
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,880
or they were trying to

706
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:29,440
protect themselves and and not protect

707
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,000
themselves

708
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,919
from you know the jeers that would come

709
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,360
afterwards but just

710
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,200
you know there are a lot of people who

711
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:36,799
when they see something

712
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,080
that is outside of their realm of

713
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,520
knowledge so to speak

714
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,159
that they just simply refuse to believe

715
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,360
what their eyes are seeing

716
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,559
and just like i didn't see anything yeah

717
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:50,640
i i think that they genuinely believed

718
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,360
they didn't see

719
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,279
something but you know at some point in

720
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:54,559
time you know

721
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,640
here we are you know 50 years and more

722
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,679
afterwards that they probably now would

723
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,360
say yeah i did see something

724
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,600
but at the time i don't think they were

725
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,440
lying i don't think they were hiding

726
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,039
anything i truly

727
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,799
think that their consciousness would not

728
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,399
allow them to see something they could

729
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,320
not cope with

730
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:16,320
have you talked to have you talked to

731
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,440
any of the

732
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,159
uh girls uh since then or in recent

733
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,789
you're talking you know let's see this

734
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,559
is the 60s

735
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,760
um you know

736
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:33,200
no i haven't um i mean

737
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:37,520
you lose touch after a while oh yeah

738
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:41,120
well and and well as as well now

739
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,720
after your sighting i mean you know you

740
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,760
you felt that uh this this was rather a

741
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,760
game changer for you though it may have

742
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:51,520
taken a while for that uh

743
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,279
realization to uh work its way into you

744
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,399
did anybody else among that group

745
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,679
say anything to you that along the same

746
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,440
lines like

747
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,600
wow this is you know this is something

748
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,919
that you know i never expected in my

749
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,120
life

750
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,600
uh no but but it's it what was

751
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,279
interesting was when i saw

752
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,000
a third encounter a strange encounter or

753
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,679
a third kind

754
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,240
there was a line in it um when at the

755
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:22,240
very end when they were

756
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,640
you know sending our our soldiers into

757
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:29,039
the spaceship to go to their you know

758
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,159
planet and they were

759
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,919
they were sending the one guy that had

760
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:33,039
you know climbed the mountain and

761
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,840
everything

762
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,360
and they were saying you know you can't

763
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,360
send him in the end the one guy said

764
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:40,960
we have to he was invited

765
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,240
and that's how i felt um

766
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,520
it was sort of like you know okay

767
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,559
i was invited to to stretch myself

768
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,840
into other other realms other other

769
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:55,679
things i never would have gotten into

770
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,080
past

771
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,440
life stuff or or

772
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:02,880
gosh traveling in time or folding time

773
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:06,640
or or the fact that there are portals or

774
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,320
um gosh crop circles or any of the other

775
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,240
things that i've become involved in

776
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:14,880
i never would have stretched into had it

777
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,240
not been for that one experience

778
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:20,720
now after that one experience over the

779
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:21,519
years

780
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:24,399
and i mean you know you you've you've

781
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:24,880
just

782
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:27,440
absolutely you know have have done some

783
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:31,120
some amazing things

784
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:35,279
have you have you had any impressions

785
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,039
on just exactly

786
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,480
what it was that you saw that night um

787
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:45,120
and and i know that for for a lot of

788
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,240
people

789
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:49,360
the the whole ufo phenomena really does

790
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,760
a smack into the unknowable

791
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,840
but you know have have you had any

792
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:57,200
impressions

793
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,440
over the years on you know

794
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,840
on on what that experience was you know

795
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,720
what the intelligence behind it was

796
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,760
um well you know i i've i've

797
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:12,320
looked at first of all science fiction

798
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:13,039
and how

799
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,399
our science fiction movies have often

800
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,960
prepared us for what reality is coming

801
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,480
certainly look at star trek with the

802
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,159
doors that open and shut

803
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:25,039
when we walk up to them or tricorders

804
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:26,399
and things like that

805
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,559
um so that so that in in some ways

806
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,720
you know our movies and sometimes

807
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,760
television

808
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,960
um are preparing our consciousnesses to

809
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,640
be able to accept and

810
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:41,679
and flow with things that are coming

811
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,760
and and i i think that probably

812
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,880
ufos like that um

813
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,360
we're sort of you know getting us ready

814
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,360
to not be fearful and and know that that

815
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,480
was out there

816
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,559
and that that i don't think it was meant

817
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,559
to contact anybody or

818
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,799
or anything like that uh maybe it was

819
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,000
out of gas i don't know

820
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:05,919
but um you know i i think that that

821
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,360
i don't know that it was manned um

822
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,960
given the chance to go back and

823
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,640
experience it again i certainly would

824
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:14,240
have approached it differently

825
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,320
but um it it it didn't

826
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,320
feel like it was man but it was large

827
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,080
enough to be manned and

828
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:24,480
and i'm just wondering now with all the

829
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:25,120
that's come

830
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,960
out um since then

831
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,120
you know they they have um there's so

832
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:32,960
much out there about how

833
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,679
we had we had gotten down to ufos and we

834
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,640
had reversed

835
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,640
we reverse engineered them and have been

836
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,240
doing it for for

837
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,279
decades and decades and decades um

838
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,200
i don't know if it was one of ours

839
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,720
because there were three army bases

840
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,240
right around us

841
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,640
um i i didn't i don't know it was one of

842
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,000
ours one of

843
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:54,159
germany's or japan's or you know

844
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,120
whoever's

845
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,240
i i don't i don't know

846
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,440
you know i don't know if it was made in

847
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:01,679
japan or not i you know it's sort of

848
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,320
like

849
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,640
it landed and it took off and it's and

850
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:05,360
it

851
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:10,399
be streaking towards a brighter light in

852
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,280
the sky

853
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,359
and we watched it for a very long time

854
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:15,119
but then nothing happened

855
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,399
um so i don't know if

856
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,359
the powers that be are trying to get us

857
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,679
used to the fact

858
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,599
that there's this kind of technology out

859
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,760
there and become comfortable with it

860
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,679
the nazis certainly were investigating

861
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,280
with it

862
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,040
so were we and if you look at solar

863
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,960
warden and all of that material then

864
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,879
then we already have spaceships out

865
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:39,520
there

866
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,440
um so i don't know uh it's

867
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,919
it befuddles me because when you see a

868
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:48,079
an unidentified playing object it could

869
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:48,879
be any

870
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,879
number of different things and um

871
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,440
it could be aliens or not or it could be

872
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,349
so i got nothing

873
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,589
well and uh uh really i mean i

874
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,599
i applaud you for that because you know

875
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,119
so many people who

876
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,440
have become involved with this field

877
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,680
feel like that they have to give

878
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:16,000
some kind of definitive explanation

879
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,119
there's you know the

880
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:20,400
phenomena is this or that and

881
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,920
i think that uh when people start to do

882
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,640
that then

883
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,680
they you know kind of lose some

884
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,440
credibility in my opinion

885
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,760
well well i'll tell you if if i met a

886
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,119
reptilian

887
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,119
i'd be able to tell you they exist if

888
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:37,200
i'd met a gray i'd be able to tell you

889
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,240
they exist

890
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,880
i know our consciousness or the spirit

891
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,960
within us is able to give us holograms

892
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:44,800
that are phenomenal

893
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,240
and so you know i i wanted more than see

894
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,400
when i want to shake hands

895
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,520
and you know if if i'm that good that i

896
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,599
can holographic something like that i am

897
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,040
really hot stuff

898
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,160
but but you know it it's sort of like

899
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,640
i don't want to say something exists if

900
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:04,640
i haven't seen it

901
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:08,800
or touched it you know it's it's um

902
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:13,280
i think that i have a responsibility to

903
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,760
give you

904
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,320
exactly what i saw i don't i i can tell

905
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:17,599
you what i saw

906
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,109
well speaking of speaking of

907
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,640
consciousness now

908
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:27,920
um you have

909
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,200
gosh i mean you have done so much

910
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,160
uh you know from from your uh mandela

911
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,079
paintings to

912
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,359
uh your uh um i don't want to call uh

913
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,359
tarot cards what what was the name that

914
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:42,880
you gave them

915
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:46,240
or their oracle cards oracle cards right

916
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,270
what is it no no no no no

917
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,109
well i'm trying to come up with a better

918
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,560
you know a better way to ask that

919
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,839
question but you know that you know

920
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:02,320
that's one

921
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:06,320
right now really seems

922
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,680
to uh divide you know like philosophy

923
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:10,960
and science is

924
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:14,480
the whole idea yeah yeah um

925
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,680
okay so in in in my opinion

926
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,280
the source of what creation was

927
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:20,880
consciousness and consciousness

928
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,160
created a singularity and consciousness

929
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,760
sent out seeds and

930
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,359
those seeds were a part of its

931
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,320
consciousness and we are those seeds

932
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,880
so we have a connection to the source of

933
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:34,480
creation

934
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,400
and and so inside of us we have

935
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,720
a tremendous amount of information and

936
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:41,839
wisdom

937
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,200
that is experiencing this lifetime

938
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,640
in a physical form we have a physical

939
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,680
body

940
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,079
we have a consciousness which some

941
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,160
people call the soul

942
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,680
and then we have our higher

943
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,200
consciousness that which

944
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:59,839
travels within the physical body at

945
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:00,320
death

946
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,960
the body and the soul stay here and and

947
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,520
go to bed and our consciousness our

948
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:08,560
higher consciousness

949
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,359
is what moves into the other realms into

950
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:12,480
the etheric

951
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,160
and then chooses or not chooses to um

952
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,320
experience physicality again it takes on

953
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,680
another form

954
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,000
and and rides with that form through

955
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,760
what it whatever the lifetime is for

956
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,599
that particular

957
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:28,800
being consciousness is

958
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,000
is awareness it's where wisdom

959
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,920
is it's not where knowledge is it's

960
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,599
where wisdom is

961
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,079
we give it knowledge when we do things

962
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,599
and you know during our day-to-day

963
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:40,960
activities

964
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:44,320
but but the wisdom that

965
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,680
channelers give see this is where you

966
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,359
tell the difference really between

967
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,040
um a channel and somebody who's giving a

968
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,280
very well informed opinion

969
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,839
um if you're if you are truly reading

970
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,680
channeled material is giving you

971
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,280
philosophy

972
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,320
it's not giving you absolutes

973
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,920
and when when you when you pray

974
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,760
you're literally praying to yourself and

975
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,520
saying give me insight you know you've

976
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,280
got the answers give me the win

977
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,880
insight and and so you'll get a dream or

978
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,560
you'll get a feeling or you'll get

979
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,880
some indication as to what direction you

980
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,760
should go

981
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,000
and those insights and inspirations come

982
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,680
directly from the spirit that's within

983
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:26,240
you

984
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:40,390
so consciousness is etheric

985
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,000
it has no form it has no body it has no

986
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:45,839
eyes ears nose or throat

987
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,760
it is it is energy

988
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:53,040
and its energy with with um

989
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,200
intent and and it has

990
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,839
you know the need to grow and and in my

991
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:01,760
in my opinion

992
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,839
we aren't here to return to the source

993
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,160
we are here to gather enough material so

994
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,720
that at some point in time

995
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,040
we have gathered enough and i'm talking

996
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,440
billions of years

997
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,800
so that we become a consciousness that

998
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:20,960
creates its own universe

999
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,240
and sends out seeds i think

1000
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,079
i think our job here is not to return

1001
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:30,640
to where we came from but to go forth

1002
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:31,839
and become

1003
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,990
be the creator of our own universes yes

1004
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,000
now that's just my opinion but that's a

1005
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,599
good one and i i've been working with

1006
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:45,520
that for a long time

1007
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,319
no i like that i like that one so now on

1008
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,000
your show

1009
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:53,280
you've had a a a number

1010
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,880
of um what would the term be psychics

1011
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,079
you know people who

1012
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,680
will uh uh do readings and

1013
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:04,880
you know make predict predictions and

1014
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,829
in your opinion i mean do you do you

1015
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,720
think that this

1016
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,920
is do you think this is accurate do you

1017
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,680
think that these people

1018
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,079
the majority of the time are just kind

1019
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,319
of like uh

1020
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:28,000
guessing or do you think that um

1021
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,839
to a certain extent uh the future can be

1022
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,440
perceived um or

1023
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,200
you know i mean we've had people on the

1024
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,599
show who who say that you know like

1025
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,599
the universe and time it's like a block

1026
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,680
universe that the past present

1027
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:46,400
future exists all at the same time and

1028
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,359
the future

1029
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,280
is the same as the past it's already

1030
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:50,720
been determined

1031
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,480
and it can't be changed well

1032
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,640
um i did psychic readings on my radio

1033
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,319
show for a long time

1034
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,880
and and i thought i was helping people

1035
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,640
for free because if they couldn't afford

1036
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,800
to go to a psychic that i would be there

1037
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,359
and then i realized uh and it took me a

1038
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,280
long time to realize that i might add

1039
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,240
um that i had created a huge following

1040
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,839
of co-dependent people who weren't

1041
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:16,720
thinking for themselves so i stopped

1042
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,000
doing the readings on my radio show

1043
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,280
um i believe that that being psychic

1044
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,040
is part of your development and

1045
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,599
evolution everybody is psychic to a

1046
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:29,359
certain degree if you work with it it's

1047
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,640
like a muscle you become

1048
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,880
better but you become better by

1049
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,319
understanding and becoming more

1050
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,079
sensitive to yourself

1051
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,079
there are a lot of psychics out there

1052
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:40,800
who have i think a god complex

1053
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,599
and i i can honestly say that i

1054
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,480
i don't go for psychic readings at all

1055
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,440
because if i can't figure it out then

1056
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:54,480
you know i'm wasting my time here so

1057
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,480
um i believe that that

1058
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,560
that psychics good psychics who have

1059
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,720
gone beyond being just a psychic

1060
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,960
and have become more spiritual and are

1061
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,960
are exploring their own spirituality and

1062
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,280
their own intuition and their own

1063
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,359
finding the source within themselves and

1064
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,640
finding that that

1065
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,400
wonderful bridge between the

1066
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,680
consciousness and the higher

1067
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,960
consciousness and become

1068
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,520
bridge walkers i call them because

1069
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,599
they're able to span the two realities

1070
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,440
the physical and the spiritual

1071
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,599
i i think they're very they're they're

1072
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:27,440
few and far between

1073
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,359
and for the most part um people will

1074
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,280
whatever a psychic gives you is filtered

1075
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,520
through their own personal experience

1076
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:37,839
so you're basically getting what they

1077
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,160
would do in this situation

1078
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,280
you're not getting what what

1079
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,400
spirit wants you to hear and

1080
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,400
and if you know spirit may want you to

1081
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,800
hear this is the time for patience to

1082
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,280
to take stock and to to move into you

1083
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,880
know those projects that you haven't

1084
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,599
finished

1085
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,400
this isn't a time for you to try to move

1086
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,359
into another

1087
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,760
uh job you you need you know when when

1088
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,720
it's ready

1089
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,079
the universe will provide that

1090
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,599
opportunity because you either get fired

1091
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,200
or you quit and you move on

1092
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,960
but if you have a question you shouldn't

1093
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,760
do anything i mean

1094
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,319
if you go to a psychic to get

1095
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,160
information on how to live your life

1096
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,920
you're all wrong if you go to a psychic

1097
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,319
and you're looking at how do i get more

1098
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,400
into my spirituality what are my talents

1099
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,240
what are my gifts what do you see

1100
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,800
how can i utilize those to expand where

1101
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,280
i am so i can take charge of my own life

1102
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:39,109
and and so i i feel that a lot of people

1103
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,880
are psychic becoming sensitive and

1104
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:45,680
they want to make a living at doing this

1105
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,079
work

1106
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,119
and i totally disagree with that

1107
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,480
um i believe spiritual

1108
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,200
spiritual stuff should be free you

1109
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:57,359
shouldn't have to charge for it

1110
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,119
if it's spiritual it was given to you

1111
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:03,599
and you were in able to develop it in

1112
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,800
order to benefit your life

1113
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,960
so you have no business charging for

1114
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,319
that that it was a gift

1115
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:14,160
all right barbara well i'm gonna have to

1116
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:15,440
interrupt here because we only have a

1117
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,319
couple of minutes

1118
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,160
left in the show so i want to give you

1119
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,280
the opportunity to let our audience know

1120
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:24,000
where they can find you online and again

1121
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,880
where they can

1122
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,520
listen to your show absolutely the

1123
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,319
website is barbara delong.com

1124
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,319
and on it you'll see you'll find links

1125
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,160
to the radio show and you'll find links

1126
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,720
to everything that i've done and also

1127
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,560
to the youtube channel and all of the

1128
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,640
radio shows go up onto the youtube

1129
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,520
channel and

1130
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,400
that's barbara delong as well um i keep

1131
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,240
it real simple and

1132
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,280
um you know we have lots of great guests

1133
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,800
coming up and and

1134
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,400
we're having a lot of fun with doing

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interviews mark eddie is a part of the

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show now and

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he has his own show on tuesday nights

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and and i run the switchboard for him

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and um we've had a lot of fun

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even stretching what the show has done

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00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,599
by you know some of the material and

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the guests that he's brought on onto the

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show as well so it's

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it's been a lot of fun and it continues

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00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,520
to be fun and when it stops being fun

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00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,119
i'll stop doing it but

1147
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,560
it's been fun for a long time now

1148
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,920
all right well and uh tim uh what's the

1149
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what's the name of

1150
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:28,640
your newest book coming out oh it's the

1151
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,240
psychic and ufo revelations in the

1152
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,359
21st of century and

1153
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:38,000
it's it's loaded with material the

1154
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:38,880
channel

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00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,400
prophecies and predictions

1156
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,599
and uh some of which have come

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00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,880
true and some of which uh the

1158
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,000
aliens just missed i don't know

1159
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,240
wait wait way off i mean i did a little

1160
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,839
bit there's a little bit of both i mean

1161
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we didn't

1162
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uh censor it to that degree and it is

1163
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,599
also a tribute to the

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uh i think the early ufo contact d

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00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,640
movement

1166
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,880
and don't forget our youtube channel mr

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00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,800
ufo secret files

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uh we've got over 400 interviews up

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00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,480
there

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00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,599
and uh tim thanks for

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00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,839
being with us again tonight and tina and

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00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,200
peter and helen

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00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:22,079
and carol and all our listeners out

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00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:22,480
there

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00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,910
you've been listening to exploring the

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00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,280
bazaar

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00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:34,000
with hosts timothy beckley and tim

1178
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,599
swartz

1179
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,680
they're taking back the night by jetting

1180
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,000
non-stop across the cosmos

1181
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,079
in search of the truly bizarre and

1182
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:43,839
totally unexplained

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00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,200
with you as their coalition thursday

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00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:49,680
nights at 7 p.m pacific

1185
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,880
10 pm eastern on the kcor

1186
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,520
digital radio network for more

1187
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,400
information on exploring the bazaars

1188
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,559
and hosts timothy beckley and tim

1189
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,359
schwartz check out their kcor digital

1190
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,440
radio network

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00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:08,640
follow their youtube channel at mr

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00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:12,480
ufo 1100 exploring